Optimism with Ed Miliband

How do you pick yourself up from defeat? In a conversation between Clemmie, Mother Of All Lists founder and host of But Why? podcast and former Labour Party leader Ed Miliband. Ed shares how he coped when Labour lost the 2015 election, why optimism was key and how and why he came to the decision to step down as leader.

Listen to this episode of BUT WHY? podcast here.